AskCVV #9 - ALL IN Thoughts, Edge's Final Match, LA Knight, The Best Way To Monetize Content, In-Person Interview Advice

What are your thoughts on All In and which match are you most excited for? 

Look, All In was a success from before one match was even announced. When they announced that All In was happening and 70,000 Plus tickets were sold at Wembley without a single match being announced, massive success right there. Because if I told you five years ago, that there was going to be another wrestling company that wasn't WWE that was going to have I mean, even 10,000 people, right? Because when the first All In happened in Chicago in 2018, 10,000, was, you know, a huge deal. So now there's 70,000 plus before one match is even announced. As we sit here right now 80,000 People are going to be there for All In massive success. And this just is a testament to where we're at with pro wrestling right now. Pro wrestling is hot right now. And I get that pro wrestling does this cyclical thing. And we do this often as fans ourselves where you're really into it for a few years and then you're like, Yeah, I can go you know, without seeing it for a few weeks, or I don't need to watch every single episode. And then it cycles back around where it's like, I gotta watch everything. And that's where we're at right now. And a rising tide lifts all ships. And that's kind of been a thing since AEW came in 2019, rising tide lifts all ships. AEW, doing better AEW, having success is better for WWE and better for New Japan and better for Impact Wrestling, all the way down every single company independent wrestling compaies as well. As for the match that I'm most excited for? I think this main event is really interesting and seeing MJF as a babyface has been so, so entertaining. I feel like there's no way that MJF doesn't leave this match as champion like he for sure is the champion at the end of this. And I think there's going to be an iconic moment, or an iconic shot where it's MJF holding up the championship, zoom out 80,000 fans screaming, I think that that's going to be an iconic moment that's going to be played in AEW videos and like legacy videos for decades to come. The match I'm most excited for though, selfishly, is Will Ospreay, Chris Jericho. I've been such a Will Ospreay fan that is no secret. If you listen to my interview with him from a few months ago, you know this. But Chris Jericho is one of the greatest of all time, whether you like him or not, you cannot argue against the fact that he's one of the greatest of all time. And it doesn't matter what gimmick he's had, whether it's Lionheart or it's Y2J, suit and tie guy, the list, The Ocho, Pain Maker and everything in between, they've all gotten over. And here he is now 30 plus years into the business still as relevant as ever. And one of the biggest names in the business now and one of the biggest names in the business of all time, really. And I love Will Ospreay and I also hate the fact that unless you watch a lot of New Japan, you might not be that familiar with his work. So I love that this is a chance for him to display what he's capable of on the biggest possible stage. And I think it's going to make a lot of people go, Oh my gosh, I knew Will Ospreay was good. I've heard the buzz about him. Now I need to go back and watch a whole bunch of his other 26 Five-Star matches that he's had. So I can't wait for that match. But the whole card top to bottom. I don't think there's a match that you'd want to miss. And I'm so excited to see how this all plays out. I think from the second this show starts it's going to make us all go wow, look at this. This is unbelievable. So congrats to AEW, on pulling off the success they've had even before the show starts. And I will say a pre-congrats to them on making this event happen. And whether you're an AEW fan or not, this is just great for pro wrestling.

I would love to hear about the whole WWE press conference experience. It was so cool seeing you kick off that press conference and ask Cody Rhodes a question. 

Yeah, that was really cool. That was such a cool thing. I was also at the press conference for Wrestlemania. I don't know if you saw it maybe you saw the back of my head there. But it's such a cool thing that WWE is doing giving us access and there's like, I saw someone make a comment that was like, Oh, these questions are all scripted. No, the questions are not scripted. And there was no one from WWE going, Okay, so Chris, what question are you going to ask? Okay, great that yeah, we can give you a mic for that question. That's not how this happens at all. This is like an actual press conference for any other sport. The journalists, reporters, whatever you want to call us, put our hands up and Byron Saxton literally selects you and then a microphone comes over and you ask your question. There's no one pre-approving these questions. So I think the fact that this has been a thing I mean, AEW started this with the media scrums right after Double or Nothing in 2019, the very first AEW event, they were media scrums at that point in time where you were literally holding a microphone and putting them in the person's face. And now they're like these press conferences, and it's a really cool opportunity to get some actual answers. It's also really interesting, especially when you see someone like say, Paul Heyman, how he walks the line of like, what's real and what's not real, and weaving in the storyline into the answers. It's really cool. So WWE has been doing these for their bigger shows every single time they come around. So that's Royal Rumble, WrestleMania, Survivor Series, SummerSlam. I am hoping to be there at Survivor Series, although Survivor Series is on Thanksgiving weekend, I know Thanksgiving is on a Thursday and Survivor Series is on a Saturday in Chicago, but I don't know, might be hard to leave my baby's first Thanksgiving to be like well, I'm gonna go to Survivor Series now. So I don't know I'm kind of on the fence whether I'll be there or not. But it's a really cool thing. And it was also really cool to have WWE hand me the microphone and I got to kick off that press conference and ask the first question, so I think you'll be seeing my face in the crowd with many more of these to come.

What kept you going when you first started creating content? 

I think the simple answer to that is just the love of the process. You have to love the process. Let's talk about podcasting as an example here. There are so many elements that go into making a podcast, especially if it's an interview show. You have to book the guests, then you have to research the guest, then you get to do the interview and actually record the interview, then you have to edit it and produce it and upload it and then also promote it. So there's so many different hats that you're wearing here. And if you don't love the entire process, and you don't love every single element of it, it makes it really tough. So for me, I've always loved creating content, we're going way back here to when I was a backyard wrestler and I was 16 years old. I was the one editing the videos. I would take them at that time from like the video camera, we were recording on actual tape and digitising them, and then putting them into my computer and then editing them from there and uploading them to our website. I love the whole process of it. And I think that that's a really important part of this is you can't enjoy just the results of what you get and the views that you get and possibly the money that you make from that content without enjoying everything that goes into making that. That's just my personal opinion. And I think that the best creators like look at how much Mr. Beast loves the process of creating a video and then putting it out there and Okay, now it's on to the next one. And that's always been it for me, that's what's kept me going from way before I even knew that there was a possibility to make any money with this. I've been making content since I mean, you guys know I'm 40 years old, right? You know, I got in the best shape of my life for my 40th birthday in May. But I think I started editing videos for the very first time in the year 2000. So here I am 23 years into this, and I just love it. That's that is my short answer to it: appreciate the process, love the process. And don't try to think about the outcome. Try to think about the process of like, getting to the next step here. So what I mean by that is like, let's try to book the best guest Okay, great. check that off the list. Now let's try to do the best research for this interview. Okay, great, awesome. Now let's try to conduct the best interview and listen and follow the conversation. Okay, check that off. You know what I mean? Like I think that that's the most important part about creating content. 

If Edge were to wrestle another match who's the opponent and where is the setting?

I think he for sure wrestles another match. I think what we saw on SmackDown was his last match in Toronto. This is just my opinion. I don't know the full situation here. But I think he looked at the schedule and went, Oh, man, we're not gonna be back for another televised show in Toronto until maybe about this time next year. I don't know if I'm still going to be wrestling by this time next year, so I think that was a send-off in Toronto and his hometown crowd. I think that's what we saw there. I think there's one more match. And I think that if you've had a career like Edge has had, and he's really had two careers, really, you know, kind of pre-injury pre-first retirement. And now, the second version of this after the Royal Rumble returns everything after that. So I think that when you've had the careers that Edge has had, I think that it has to end at WrestleMania. So I think it's a match at WrestleMania 40. The opponent? I don't know. I could throw out some names, but I'm not gonna be right here. But I just think it's a match at WrestleMania. And I think it's a match where, as you know, the traditional wrestling is, you know when you're about to retire, you put over the person that you're wrestling, you're the one looking up at the lights 1 2 3, and you ride off into the sunset, giving them a victory. So I think that that's what happens. It's WrestleMania 40. It's a loss against somebody who I think could really benefit from a win over Edge. 

Edge possibly going to AEW? Thoughts? 

Yeah, I think there's like a 0% chance that he goes to AEW. And I know that it's fun when someone's contract ends, or when someone gets let go of like, oh my gosh, are they gonna be All Elite now? I think when you look at Edge's career, a guy started in WWE. And he at this point has wrestled nowhere else but in WWE. I think there's a 0% chance that he's gonna go 25 years in WWE and then go wrestle one or two or three matches elsewhere. Not happening, fun thing to think about, and those graphics that everybody makes are highly entertaining. But no, this is not happening. It just, it would not make sense for the legacy of Edge the person and the legacy of Adam Copeland the person. Like, I just don't think that that's what's happening. 

What's the best tip you could give for doing an in-person interview?

I am a big fan of in-person interviews and I'm trying to do as many in-person interviews as I can now. That's not to say I won't do interviews over Zoom. And I've got some big ones coming up in the next few weeks here. Oh, it's true. It's damn true. I've used that reference a few times but you clearly know where I'm going with that. I prefer in-person interviews so much just because you can really connect with a person, you can shake their hand, you can look them in the eye, and you can give them a hug. And there's something about like, you know, even though Zoom is great, there's still a tiny little slight delay, you're talking but they're talking and then you got to pause because they're talking. So I prefer interviews in person, way more than doing them over Zoom. I know I'd rather spend the time and the money to fly somewhere and put myself up in a hotel and do all that stuff. I'd say the biggest tip for doing something in-person number one, you have to have great gear. Like if an interview looks and sounds like crap if your content looks and sounds like crap, people will just automatically assume that it is crap. Like perception is reality here so get a decent camera. If you don't have a decent camera, like just make sure you're in a well-lit area with your phone. I shot so many of my interviews on my iPhone, I still shoot like the wide-angle shot of my in-person interviews using an iPhone. That's such an important part about it. It's just like being in a well-lit area, having decent recording gear, you know, an okay camera, but like microphones I think are so important. I'm talking right now into a Shure SM7B. That's kind of the gold standard of microphones. And podcasting is the microphone that Joe Rogan speaks into, you know, the black microphone, it's like, cylindrical in shape. It doesn't need to be a Shure SM7B but get a decent microphone. And I always say the most important part of any interview, whether it's in-person, or it's a virtual interview is the interview starts the second you walk into the room or the interview starts the second you walk into that, you log on to that Zoom Room and that conference room. Bring the energy like be excited to be there like be excited to be partaking in this and hopefully that person will match your energy. But I think that's a really important thing. You can't just walk in like, Oh, hey it's good to meet you really appreciate you taking the time to do this with me. And then like three to one. Hey, I'm here with so and so and it's so good to be having this conversation with you. I think you got to bring that energy from the very start. So that's the biggest tip that I would give you. 

How do you get into the right frame of mind to record an interview? And how do you get back into the real-life mindset after recording?

I didn't purposely put these questions back-to-back like this. But I feel like they make sense to get into the right frame of mind, I always try to be in the best mood possible, and I get that life happens, right? Other things may be going on in your world, and life may be happening around you and maybe it hasn't been a great morning or a great day. None of that matters when the red light goes on and you hit record, because these interviews exist very much in their own little bubble, right? Someone's gonna watch this a week from now, someone might watch this a year from now or four years from now. And the fact that your dog died that day, or the fact that you didn't get a lot of sleep, or you know, any other terrible thing that may have happened, doesn't matter, because within the existence of those 45 minutes, half an hour, an hour, however long that interview happens to be, it exists with this within its own little bubble. So I would say, leave all of the things that have happened that day, at the door, and you're walking into this with a clean slate, a clean, excited slate. That person is giving you their time, I would say the very least you can do is be present with them. So that's a really important thing to keep in mind to get into that right frame of mind. I also work really hard on like, how are we going to start the conversation? What's the first question gonna be? Because if the first question is good, it can lead to like really setting the tone for the rest of it. The first question doesn't go off too well, my gosh, you're really struggling to get out of the gate here. So I would say that that's another important thing is to really focus on what's the first question going to be, what's the icebreaker going to be. How are we going to build the rapport here, and then getting back into the real-life mindset after the recording? I think for me, this does kind of feel like real life. So I don't really have a lot of advice for getting back into how life functions after that. I just think it's like, you know, you closed up the laptop or if you're doing an in-person interview, you get back in your car and you go home and I think it's on to the next one, right? And it's thinking about okay, what's, how can we get the best content out of this in terms of making like TikToks or shorts or clips or something like that? And then it's like on to the next one. That's it for me. 

What wrestling move have you taken that just hurts like hell? 

I haven't taken a tonne of wrestling moves. But I think the one that hurt the most and was certainly the scariest was when I took the Impaler DDT from Gangrel. And if you haven't seen the video, if you don't know what I'm talking about, go take a quick look right now on YouTube and you'll see what I mean. I got a little too excited. This is not Gangrel who is one of the nicest people and one of the safest workers. I jumped up a little too high. I spiked myself pow right on the top of my head folded over and I was a little nervous. I mean, I landed on the top of my head. I could have been really injured here. But I landed on top of my head. I got winded instantly and I was like, Oh my gosh, did I break my neck? And I was like oh, I can feel my fingers. Oh, I can feel my toes. Okay, we're good we're good. But I was just so scared and I think about it to this day. I think about it to this day, like how terribly bad that could have gone. So that's probably it for me. It didn't hurt a tonne but more like I was just really, really scared for what could have happened. And of course, you know, I think the immediate thing when people think about moves that hurt and CVV you think about the chops. Yeah, of course they hurt and you know, my chest was really tight and sore for a while after that. So yeah, they hurt. Would I take a chop from Gunther? Yes, of course. I don't know if I'd take more than one. I don't know if I'd take 20 chops from him. But yeah, I would do it again. Especially if there's a camera there and we can make another video out about that one.

What's your favourite cuisine? 

Pizza. Is pizza a cuisine? I guess pizza technically falls under the Italian cuisine umbrella. But yeah, pizza. I love pizza. And when I was doing that get into the best shape of your life. I was eating a lot of ground turkey breasts and a lot of beef and a lot of bison, a tonne of vegetables, a lot of rice. There was no room for pizza in that diet. So every once in a while I would have like a cheat day or cheat meal I should say, not a full cheat day. But like I'd have a refeed day, really carb up and then I'll be able to get some pizza in so pizza for sure. Number one. I am such a sucker for Domino's Pizza. 

What title belt do you see LA Knight defending or wrestling for at WrestleMania 40?

I feel like it should be the World Heavyweight Championship. And I feel like him popping up on Raw kind of sort of lent itself to that story. So I feel like between now and WrestleMania 40 he's either been the World Heavyweight Champion, or he's definitely in the picture for that. So that's what I see. And I say that because I truly believe that Roman Reigns is going to be the champion, the Universal Champion, leading up to WrestleMania 40. I don't know how it's going to work right now with how things are lined up, but I think it's Cody Rhodes walking out of WrestleMania 40 and finishing the story there as the champion. But I just don't see you know, Cody's on Raw and Roman’s on Smackdown I don't know as we sit here in August how that's gonna happen, but I guess we'll see. But LA Knight is far too talented to not hold gold at some point in his WWE career. So let's see what happens there.

Is there such a thing as trying to monetize too late in the game? 

No, absolutely not. And at the risk of sounding like Gary Vaynerchuk here, you still got time. And look at all these creators on I mean TikTok, a tonne of them on YouTube that became famous content creators in their like 50s or 60s or later. You're never too late. If you're breathing, you still got time. And I think that there is an avenue and a way now to monetize any niche that you happen to be in. And I think it's just a matter of finding someone who's already in that niche, figuring out how they were able to get to where they're at reverse engineer that back to where you're at and go, Okay, when they were at step two in the game where I’m at, they were doing this thing. And then the next step after that is doing this other thing over here. Okay, great. I got to do that. But no, it's never ever too late. And I know that we'll talk specifically about the pro wrestling space because I think a lot of us are pro wrestling fans here. There are content creators even now that are coming into the space and that are just absolutely crushing it like look at my friend, Mr. SantiZap, who is I guess a Twitch streamer and also a TikToker when I first became connected with him, not even a year ago, so like 10 ish 11 months ago. I think he had like 80,000 followers on TikTok. And now as we sit here right now, he has 575,000 followers, and he recently quit his day job, and now he's a full-time creator. So this definitely still exists. And there are people who are every single day finding a way to monetize what they do. So no, there is no such thing as trying to monetize too late in the game at all. Crush it, go crush it. 

What advice would you give for breaking into the reporting and behind-the-scenes of pro wrestling?

I always come back to you got to bring value, you have to be able to bring value to the space that you're entering into. It is very obvious what is in it for you, right? I think it's really obvious if like I, you know, I'd have a chance to interview the people I've always looked up to, and I'd have a chance to write these articles for a big website or something like that. But what's the value that you are bringing? And I think that if you really truly want to break into the space,  find someone who's just willing to say yes, like reach out to if it's reporting you to want to do and let's say it's a written reporting, you want to do reach out to literally every wrestling website, it's not hard to find those emails and say, Hey, here's who I am. Here's what I'm passionate about, here's what I'm capable of doing. Here's the value that I bring. Would you be willing to give me a chance to write an article for your website for free, and maybe you could give me some feedback? And if you'd like the article, you're welcome to post it on your website. That's what I think people need to do. And I think there's too many people that are trying to skip that first step of like, the getting experience part and just skipping right to the well, what can you pay me? Yeah, my time is valuable what can you pay me? Oh, whoa, pump the brakes there, homeboy. I think it's the idea of like, what can you bring here? What have you, what are you able to do? Are you even good? Why should I be paying you if I don't even know what you're capable of doing? So I'd say, find a way to intern for somebody, find a way to volunteer for somebody, find a way to write articles for free, and get somebody who's been there and done it to give you feedback on your work, and then move from there. That is the best way to do it. Always, always, always lead with value. 

What was the hardest thing to grasp that helped you gain traction in terms of content creation? 

I think the biggest one, it was really hard to wrap my head around this two-ish years ago, was just how much content I thought was important to be creating, because I was like, Oh, I posted like one thing a day. I'm posting a photo a day or a throwback photo a day or something like that. And I saw when reels were starting to become a thing on Facebook, I saw a fellow creator that was like, I want you to do the 30-day 30 reel challenge. Post a reel day for 30 days. And I was like a reel a day? Are you kidding me? I don't even have the content to put out one reel a day. That's crazy! At that point, I was probably putting out like one reel a week. And I realized that the more content that you put out there, it's kind of like the analogy here would be like taking swings at a baseball game, like how many bats are you getting here? And the more content that you put out, the more plate appearances that you're getting, the more chances to swing that bat, the more chances to hit a home run, and the more chances to get on base. So you know, by not posting a lot of reels two-ish years ago, I just wasn't getting as many plate appearances. Now, if you follow me on TikTok, or Instagram or YouTube, you know, I post a lot of videos. My editor actually makes 75 videos a month for me. And then there are some older videos that I repost so I’m probably posting, I would call it 90 vertical videos a month. So on average three a day, maybe more. That was the hardest thing for me to grasp is the more spaghetti you throw at the wall, the better the chance for one of those pieces to stick. So you know, you throw 100 pieces of content at a wall. Maybe one of those is a million views. And if you only posted 90 pieces of content this month, or 80 pieces of content or 70 pieces of content, maybe you wouldn't have found that one piece of content to stick. So that was the hardest thing for me to grasp. I really think it's about quantity over quality. And that's not to say that the videos that I'm posting I don't believe their quality. Because I really think that my shorts editor named Troy Blair, is so talented at the type of videos that he creates and the stories that he tells within those, but I really just think it's a matter of like if you have an hour-long interview, and you can break that up into 10 or 12 shorter pieces of content, post them all. And you're going to be shocked Buy some of the ones that do end up taking off. And you're gonna be shocked by some of the ones that you thought would do really well and you know, really just fell flat. So that's what I would say

Is there any difference between CVV, the host, and Chris at home? 

I'd say if you ask my wife Rachel, she will tell you probably not. I like to have a lot of energy. I like to have a tonne of energy. And I don't know if there's anything that's really that different from when the mic is in front of my face. Or when the camera is on and when it's not. Maybe it man might even be a little bit sillier. We were just singing and dancing to some song about dinosaurs, with our little girl Logan. So I guess you don't see the singing and dancing to silly songs on YouTube or on the podcast. But look, I think the best creators, and I'm certainly not putting myself in the category of I'm the best creator. But I think that the best creators are authentic. Because we live in a world now where people can so easily see through the fact if you're not being real or not, if you're not being authentic, people can smell it from a mile away. So I think that the more authentic you can be, the easier you can connect with people. So if the person that you are off camera isn't similar to the person that you are on camera, I think you're really going to have a tough time connecting with that audience.

What was it like meeting and interviewing Tom Cruise in Paris? What are your thoughts on the new Mission Impossible movie?

So I love telling the story. Because it's one of my favourite interviews that I've ever done. So The Rock was at the top of my bucket list for interviews. And then I was fortunate to be able to interview The Rock for the first time in 2012. And, you know, not that I'm counting or anything, but I've interviewed The Rock now 10 times, and hopefully there's some more around the corner. But after I interviewed The Rock, I was like, Oh, who's the next person that I would love to get an interview with? And it's Tom Cruise, you know, arguably the biggest movie star in the world. Arguably the last real movie star that's opening movies based on name value alone, that doesn't really exist anymore. So I was so fortunate to be invited to interview him for Mission Impossible Fallout, which is the sixth Mission Impossible movie. And the red carpet, the world premiere was in Paris, the Eiffel Tower is right behind us. And we're getting there. We're all getting ready to do these interviews. And the way that a red carpet works is that the media kind of all lines up behind like a red velvet rope type of thing and like a partition of some sort. And I was I don't know, 30 40 people down the line. So when Tom Cruise came out, he signed some autographs he posed with some photos with some fans and then he started doing interviews. And that's like, he does the first interview. Then the second interview and the third interview, he works his way down the line. And the closer he gets you kind of like oh my gosh, Tom Cruise's four media outlets away. He's 20 feet away from me, I can see him. And so if each interview is two or three minutes, oh my gosh, I'm like 12 15 minutes away from interviewing Tom Cruise. And then you know, he moves one interview closer and then one interview closer. And then all of a sudden he's right next to me. And he's doing an interview with one of my best friends Jake Hamilton. Oh, my gosh, I'm next. Here we are, we're doing the interview. And then he was so kind, so generous with his time. And he, he looks you right in the eyes when you're talking. And even though there are 1000s of screaming fans, snapping photos and yelling things. It is as if it's just you and him having a private conversation, and he's so incredibly present for that. And then afterwards, I'm like, Would it be okay, if we take a photo he is like of course, yes. Then we took this great photo, it actually hangs on my wall along with some other great moments that I've really been fortunate to be part of. And it's me, him, the red carpet and the Eiffel Tower literally behind us like it looks so cool that it almost looks like it's green screen. So one of my favourite moments and to answer the second part of your question, I liked the Mission Impossible movie. I liked Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One I liked it. didn't love it. Like I think objectively It's a great movie and what really holds it together are some absolutely insane stunts. Perhaps some of the best stunts in the history of cinema. But I just think the story of the movie is just a little flat. I don't want to give too much away for people who haven't seen the movie yet but the whole story centering around AI and like at one point like changing the lights at this party they're at it was just a little far fetched and I just thought that Mission Impossible six had a great story that from start to finish had you like, invested in everything that was going to happen. And I think that most Mission Impossible fans would agree that number six is the best of the franchise and number two is not the best and the worst in the franchise. So I'm excited to see what they do for the next one. And I think that it's really setting up here. Like how you can outdo that motorcycle off the cliff and then fight on the train. Those two stunts are so good. I don't know how you can now do that for part two, but it's Tom Cruise and he is going to find a way. 

Best way to grow a podcast? I'm already uploading weekly interviews and making TikToks and shorts. 

This might sound too simplistic, but this was some advice that I followed really early on. If you're posting one interview a week, honestly, the best way to double your download numbers or at least come close to doubling your download numbers for the podcast is to double the amount of podcasts that you make. Like seriously, if you're getting I'm making up numbers here, 1,000 downloads a week from posting one episode a week. Well, what would happen if you double that up? You probably get pretty close to 2,000 downloads a week. And I know that's a lot, especially if you're doing interviews a lot that goes into making an interview and you know, finding those guests and everything else that goes along with that. But I truly think that we're in a game right now. And I don't know how long this is going to be around for. But I think that we are in a moment of content creation right now. Where the more you create, the more followers you'll get, the more views you'll get. If you're monetized, the more money you'll be able to make from this, like, there are really no diminishing returns from posting more content. So I think that that's if you have the bandwidth to do it yourself. If you're editing your own videos, if you have the bandwidth to do it yourself, I would say try to post as much content as you can. If you have the ability to hire someone out and have someone make videos for you edit videos for you, I would say do that as well. But I really think that if right now you're posting one a week, trying to make a two week if right now you're posting one short a day, why not try to make it two shorts a day? Or if it's seven a week, could you make a 10? I really think that that's a big part of it. These on-camera videos are doing so well. I mean, I personally could be doing a lot more than myself, I probably should be leaning into that a lot more than I am. But I think that that's a really big thing is just like make more content, if you have the capability to do that, you know, if you have the free time and the bandwidth to do that, that's what I would say is the best way to grow a podcast. And also if you have the ability to do it, try to be a guest on a podcast that is within your niche, or do a guest swap with somebody who's in your niche. Because the best way to find podcast listeners are to go on other podcasts because you know for sure that the person that's listening to that is a podcast listener. 

As a man who has interviewed so many people, are there any people left that you'd say that you'd want to get an interview with? 

Oh, yeah, there's still a lot. And I've had people that are like, Oh, you've interviewed everybody in the wrestling space. There are still so many that I haven't like Vince McMahon I've talked about at great length. Of course, he's at the very top of my list of someone I want to interview but I also have never done an interview with Bret Hart, Scott Steiner, Sting, Edge, Triple H, Christian, or Shawn Michaels, like there's still a lot, there's still a lot of people that I want to be able to do interviews with. And of those people I just listed, I think all of them are probably possible. Now they're all still with us. They're all still actively doing things in the wrestling space, I think it's possible. Of those, I think maybe one or two of those might even be able to happen this year. So stay tuned here, and we'll find out. Could it be Bret Hart on Insight with Chris Van Vliet before the end of the year? Could it be Scott Steiner? Maybe? I mean, I've been in the same room as Triple H a bunch of times he does all those press conferences for WWE. So I mean, me asking a question at the WWE press conference have Triple H doesn't really count as an interview but maybe down the line. This could turn into I don't know something else, maybe a longer interview Tim, I guess we'll see.